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Post by tydawson on Jun 16, 2008 20:08:06 GMT -5
I have a bigger issue with the unprotected chair shots in IWC than I do with head drops.
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Post by stylesclash516 on Jun 16, 2008 21:08:39 GMT -5
i am not here to bash iwc, N~Con, or anyone on the board. I'm just here to provide my side of the argument. lets face it, other than being the biggest smark in my county (cambria), i don't have any knowledge of the wrestling business, so N~Con's views are 10x better than mine. but lets get back to what this thread is about bringing in el generico and/or kevin steen. if you bring either one of them in once, and you don't like what you see, then don't bring them back. i think you should at least give them a try. does anyone else agree?
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Post by Supreme on Jun 17, 2008 21:52:56 GMT -5
So El Generico's offensive moves is him getting dropped on his head?
Watch the two ROH matches with Claudio from the past year or so. Yes, there's a little head dropping, but their fast paced, exciting matches to watch. Some of the most underrated matches of the past year.
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Post by kinggalaxia on Jun 18, 2008 2:37:27 GMT -5
Ok, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack on topic, people
Generico in IWC = DO WANT Steen in IWC = again, DO WANT Steenerico in IWC = .......*fanboy grin*
If this were to ever happen, I fully suggest SH as their opponents... or the Balds.
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Post by stylesclash516 on Jun 18, 2008 9:15:26 GMT -5
el genericos offensive moves are him dropping somebody else on their head.
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Post by dustinmark on Jun 19, 2008 20:19:26 GMT -5
Alright, you half-wits. El Generico has ONE, I repeat ONE, head-drop finisher, that I've seen. The Brainbustaaaahhhhh. That's it. Granted, it's over as Hell, but it's only ONE DAMN MOVE. He's alot more than that, if you see him wrestle on something other than "SuicidalDragon's Top 10 Move List" on friggin youtube. N~Con, tell him not to use the move and that solves the problem. If anyone is saying the guy is nothing but "head-drop moves", then, they haven't seen him wrestle anywhere other than on youtube highlight reels, and should not be weighing in on the subject.
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Post by iwcpromoter on Jun 19, 2008 20:22:31 GMT -5
Ok Dustinmark has spoken..he wins..
I will get them in..
N~Con
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Post by drwrestling on Jun 19, 2008 21:54:11 GMT -5
Alright, you half-wits. El Generico has ONE, I repeat ONE, head-drop finisher, that I've seen. The Brainbustaaaahhhhh. That's it. Granted, it's over as Hell, but it's only ONE DAMN MOVE. He's alot more than that, if you see him wrestle on something other than "SuicidalDragon's Top 10 Move List" on friggin youtube. N~Con, tell him not to use the move and that solves the problem. If anyone is saying the guy is nothing but "head-drop moves", then, they haven't seen him wrestle anywhere other than on youtube highlight reels, and should not be weighing in on the subject. It sounds like you've taken a few too many brain busters.
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Post by stylesclash516 on Jun 20, 2008 10:13:08 GMT -5
Alright, you half-wits. El Generico has ONE, I repeat ONE, head-drop finisher, that I've seen. The Brainbustaaaahhhhh. That's it. Granted, it's over as Hell, but it's only ONE DAMN MOVE. He's alot more than that, if you see him wrestle on something other than "SuicidalDragon's Top 10 Move List" on friggin youtube. N~Con, tell him not to use the move and that solves the problem. If anyone is saying the guy is nothing but "head-drop moves", then, they haven't seen him wrestle anywhere other than on youtube highlight reels, and should not be weighing in on the subject. apparently you haven't seen too many of his PWG matches. most of his arsenal, not finishers, arsenal is dropping someone on their head. yes he has 1 finisher where he drops someone on their head, but thats not the only move where someone gets dropped on their head. watch this video of el generico in pwg and czw, nearly every move he does (excluding the dives) affects somebody's head. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nue9N_datZMbut i still don't see why I'm arguing with you because i actually want N~Con to bring in el generico.
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Post by dustinmark on Jun 21, 2008 9:28:14 GMT -5
WOW, Stylesclash really showed me. The only other 2 "headdrop" moves he did in that video link were a half-nelson suplex and a tornado ddt. Aren't those moves that Ray Rowe and Jason Gory,respectively, do on a regular basis? Why aren't they "dangerous" when they do it? I agree that his top rope turnbuckle brainbuster is a dangerous move, but I can't see that being the sole reason for not bringing them in. N~Con will bring in Sandman on a semi-regular basis, who usually comes to the ring so friggin hammered that he can't hardly walk, let alone wrestle, (he's actually passed out in a non-IWC ring before). But it's not dangerous for his workers to wrestle Sandman, becasue it's someone who N~Con thinks will sell tickets. N~Con probably just doesn't think that Generico are gonna be a big draw so the "dangerous headdrop moves" thing is most likely his "reason" for not bringing him in.
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Post by stylesclash516 on Jun 21, 2008 9:45:23 GMT -5
the top rope brainbuster is not dangerous because he is dropping someone on a padded turnbuckle! i never said what ray rowe and jason gory do aren't dangerous. have you been reading what i say on the posts before this? i dont see a reason not to bring in el generico. all i said was "most of el genericos moves are dropping someone on thier head." then you jumped on my case. as far as the sandman goes, he's never drunk, he is just a really good actor. i am pretty sure no matter how popular a man may be, if he shows up drunk, N~Con wont bring him back. also, as far as you saying that there is a sole reason for not bringing him in, how do you know N~Con doesn't want to bring him in? you don't know, i don't know, nobody knows. so don't act like you know everything.
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Post by dustinmark on Jun 21, 2008 15:45:15 GMT -5
"as far as the sandman goes, he's never drunk, he is just a really good actor." Do your parents get a disability check from the state every month for you? If they don't, they definately should. The top-rope brainbuster is extremely dangerous, if for no other reason, than the potential spinal compression that could happen. My initial point is, if that concerns N~Con, and is why he won't bring him in, then all he has to do is tell him not to use it. The guy's exciting to watch.
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Post by stylesclash516 on Jun 21, 2008 16:01:41 GMT -5
these questions are directed to N~Con so we can settle this.#1 is the sandman always drunk at the iwc shows, or is he just acting? #2 are we ever going to see el generico in an iwc ring, because according to dustinmark, we never will because he has a bad finisher. now for dustinmark, if el generico cant use the brainbuster, what will he use? ?? and as far as the top rope brainbuster, i would rather be dropped head first on a padded turnbuckle than to be dropped head first onto the ring.
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Post by drwrestling on Jun 22, 2008 0:52:26 GMT -5
Not to interupt this insightful discussion but did anyone realize that Troy Lords uses the brain buster in IWC?
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Post by Jake Garrett on Jun 22, 2008 13:06:17 GMT -5
now for dustinmark, if el generico cant use the brainbuster, what will he use? ?? and as far as the top rope brainbuster, i would rather be dropped head first on a padded turnbuckle than to be dropped head first onto the ring. Not to step on anyones toes, but the ring is a three inch wrestling mat laid atop a series of 2X12s making a stable platform. The padding on a turnbuckle is a thin piece of foam rubber with a cloth cover over top of a one inch thick metal hook. Given a choice between the two I'll take the thick padded ring.
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