Should IWC bring Barbed Wire & ladder in future?

[shookerdo]

Yeah, barbed wire was banned in PA after the last CZW show they used it in. I think it was Zandig vs. Wifebeater

[XBigXTomX]

I replaced my love of Barbwire with Stiff kicks to the head and moves that spike you. I feel that a ladder match is a bad idea, the IWC ring is too small. Yes I've seen Ladder matches in a ring that size and I don't think any of them worked. Barbwire is just dumb. I'd rather see guys get over with a sweet chain than cheap blood.

[dynamitekido]

WOW, I can't believe that someone actually wants to see barbed wire anything these days. Get over it....that kind of crap is dead and hopefully it stays that way. Plus, don't bring up the fact that the WWE is going to do one.......it's not what most would consider a legit barbed wire match anyway.

Ladder on the other hand COULD be a good idea. But only if it was done in a important feud or to blow something off. Otherwise....I don't wanna see one just to see one.

[sedlak]

yeah barbed wire is too backyardish if you ask me..i was talking to friends about this today, and they all agreed that ladder match woudl be cool, but it would have to be an important match one that would change teh face of iwc wrestling.

barbed wire..hmph save that for the junkyards..

[The One And Only]

This is like the 12,000th time this has been said, but I want to see Fab vs. M-Dogg in a ladder match. Even though the feud is over now, I'd still like to see that. For some reason it looks like Gory vs. Xion is leading to something crazy like that as well...

Anyways, barbed wire is a terrible idea and I don't think it's legal in PA. It's just a waste of time. That's already been established, so I'll shut up now.

[rzombie1988]

Barbed Wire isn't legal in PA.

A Ladder might be alright. Depends on who's in it.

[iwcpromoter]

My opinion on all of this is pretty simple:

I believe that gimmick matches such as ladder, cage, etc. should be speciality matches, done once every blue moon.

This way, it can actually draw.

You will never see barbed wire in IWC.

My feeling on the type of show I present is pretty simple. I think we give a little bit of everything to the fans. Some, and I repeat some hardcore, some great wrestling, some angle filled matches, etc. But I don't want to, in this time and place of wrestling, limit my draw by presenting a product that is too adult oriented.

It would simply be stupid as a promoter.

The one thing you will see in the 2005 version of IWC is a much more organized promotion. Our shows, during the slow, flow very nicely but show to show doesn't flow as well. This will change a great deal, and I think the fans will be pleased.

Super Indy IV is tenatively scheduled for the first week in May. We also have a show tenatively scheduled for the first week of June, as well as the Butler Fair, which would be either 7/1 or 7/2. If it is 7/2, I think we will also run Johnstown on 7/1.

so tenatively, things look like this:

2/25 and 26
3/19
4/9
5/7 & 8
6/4
7/1 and/or 2

Thanks!

N~Con

[dynamitekido]

I believe that gimmick matches such as ladder, cage, etc. should be speciality matches, done once every blue moon.

This way, it can actually draw.

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.......

You will never see barbed wire in IWC.

Thank god N~Con. Thank god.

[Supreme]

Well...barbwire....because stated above...can't use it...banned....which I'm waiting to see what the WWE is going to do with this announced "barbwire cage match" that's suppose to be at the February PPV in Pittsburgh.

The ladder shouldn't be used all the time....the ladder match is something to end a fued with.

[XBigXTomX]

Supreme said:

Well...barbwire....because stated above...can't use it...banned....which I'm waiting to see what the WWE is going to do with this announced "barbwire cage match" that's suppose to be at the February PPV in Pittsburgh.

Money gets you anything.

[ZEROxOWF]

as far as the ring size, the ring is fine for a ladder match. i dissagree about ending a fued with it and i think a tlc match would have drawn more then the cage match, but i was dissapointed bam bam and balls werent there. if youre gonna do a ladder match you should have a table or two, if not the bumps get boring after a while.

barbed wire isnt for backyard only, look at japan they use barbed wire like the wwe uses T and A, and wrestling is huge over there, 3rd biggest sport, and thats where most backyard feds got the ideas,

(secondly somewhat off topic, not all backyard feds use deathmatch weapons for the record), but i can under stand N~Cons concern for the safety of his workers however if they are willing and would do it in any other company i think he should let it happen

[The Shadow]

ZEROxOWF said:

if youre gonna do a ladder match you should have a table or two, if not the bumps get boring after a while.

This statement is pretty typical of today's attention deficit wrestling fan.

i can under stand N~Cons concern for the safety of his workers however if they are willing and would do it in any other company i think he should let it happen

What part don't you understand here. A good portion of the crowd are families. Run barbed wire and you alienate them. Now explain how the show will make money with a decent chunk of the audience gone.

[XBigXTomX]

If I got taken out I'd sell it. I'll tell you guys a funny story about a ladder match I saw a couple years back. It all started in this great fed NWW. If you don't know what NWW stands for I'll tell you. It stands for New World Wrestling (I know, its awesome!) Well, any how to get back to the story, Two guys were wrestling I can't remember who (I'll tell you guys when I find out) Well any how they were in the ring and the didn't even use the ladder all the much and the belt fell out of the rafters, and the ring crew (My friend Jason) spent like 45 minutes trying to get it back up. It was one of the funniest things I've seen in wrestling.

[MonkeyMan]

xBIGxTOMx said:

If I got taken out I'd sell it. I'll tell you guys a funny story about a ladder match I saw a couple years back. It all started in this great fed NWW. If you don't know what NWW stands for I'll tell you. It stands for New World Wrestling (I know, its awesome!) Well, any how to get back to the story, Two guys were wrestling I can't remember who (I'll tell you guys when I find out) Well any how they were in the ring and the didn't even use the ladder all the much and the belt fell out of the rafters, and the ring crew (My friend Jason) spent like 45 minutes trying to get it back up. It was one of the funniest things I've seen in wrestling.

Was that in Austintown, OH? I saw a show about......5 years ago there. There was a ladder match where the belt fell from the rafters.

[The One And Only]

ZEROxOWF said:

i dissagree about ending a fued with it and i think a tlc match would have drawn more then the cage match

So you want IWC to have a ladder match every show so that it becomes stale and loses all interest? Plus, when was the last time you saw Bam Bam Bigelow or Shane Douglas in a TLC match? A cage was perfect, and it came off very well. And saying that TLC match would draw better than a cage, I don't think that's true. I think that cage matches have more credibility on the indy scene than TLC or Ladder matches do. Every promotion under the sun runs TLC matches now days. While there are a lot of cage matches, they aren't over used like in WWE and are usually only used to end feuds. In IWC's case, they had 3 big stars in the steel cage and it ended a big feud between the IWC Triple Threat and the regular Triple Threat, a match that was appropriatly ended in a War Games style Steel Cage match.

barbed wire isnt for backyard only, look at japan they use barbed wire like the wwe uses T and A, and wrestling is huge over there, 3rd biggest sport, and thats where most backyard feds got the ideas,

Yea, that is based on basically nothing. Just because you read it in your Mick Foley book doesn't mean it's true. Sure there are hardcore promotions like Big Japan over there, but the barbed wire usage isn't any more prevelent than it is in America. New Japan, All Japan, and NOAH are the biggest promotions over there and they very rarely do any deathmatch type stuff. Wrestling may be the 3rd biggest sport (which I have no idea how true that is), but that is not because of barbed wire.